Comments on: Clouds Are Inherently Self-Service http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/clouds-are-inherently-self-service Cloud strategy & infrastructure Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:55:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Rodrigo http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/clouds-are-inherently-self-service/comment-page-1#comment-3556 Rodrigo Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:01:15 +0000 http://neotactics.com/blog/?p=189#comment-3556 Agreed. Cloud is all about self-service Agreed. Cloud is all about self-service

]]> By: randybias http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/clouds-are-inherently-self-service/comment-page-1#comment-3526 randybias Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:32:41 +0000 http://neotactics.com/blog/?p=189#comment-3526 <a href="#comment-3460" rel="nofollow">@botchagalupe</a> Thanks for the kind words and comment, John. I think you're just adding clarification about what makes the power of 'self-service' so important. @botchagalupe

Thanks for the kind words and comment, John. I think you’re just adding clarification about what makes the power of ’self-service’ so important.

]]> By: botchagalupe http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/clouds-are-inherently-self-service/comment-page-1#comment-3460 botchagalupe Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:25:48 +0000 http://neotactics.com/blog/?p=189#comment-3460 Randy, Thanks for this post. This is a good definition. However, I think there is another definition that is used in the enterprise for self service. What I have seen in the enterprise is the use of self service to isolate the technology from the customer. For example I have worked with one company where they have a SS portal that allows them, with an internal credit card, to select a blog, wiki, dev system, lamp stack from the portal. The have no idea if they are getting VMware, AWS, or bare metal and it doesn't matter to them. Other examples are engineering teams selecting analytic clusters by selecting a. number of cpus, b. how much memory, and c. bandwidth. Again, they get the resources and they don't know or care about the platform. I also have built a few self service portals using this same concept to abstract monitoring technology. I had one client where all of their internal customers hated Tivoli. We built a self service portal around all of their monitoring tools. They where then able to select the hosts and the resources they wanted to monitor and every one was happy. They also reduced head count. Again, thanks for this post. I can see now why I got so much push back from my tweets last night. You are the Bomb... john johnmwillis.com Randy,

Thanks for this post. This is a good definition. However, I think there is another definition that is used in the enterprise for self service. What I have seen in the enterprise is the use of self service to isolate the technology from the customer. For example I have worked with one company where they have a SS portal that allows them, with an internal credit card, to select a blog, wiki, dev system, lamp stack from the portal. The have no idea if they are getting VMware, AWS, or bare metal and it doesn’t matter to them. Other examples are engineering teams selecting analytic clusters by selecting a. number of cpus, b. how much memory, and c. bandwidth. Again, they get the resources and they don’t know or care about the platform.

I also have built a few self service portals using this same concept to abstract monitoring technology. I had one client where all of their internal customers hated Tivoli. We built a self service portal around all of their monitoring tools. They where then able to select the hosts and the resources they wanted to monitor and every one was happy. They also reduced head count.

Again, thanks for this post. I can see now why I got so much push back from my tweets last night. You are the Bomb…

john
johnmwillis.com

]]> By: The ‘Cloud’ Is NOT Outsourcing | Cloudscaling http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/clouds-are-inherently-self-service/comment-page-1#comment-3441 The ‘Cloud’ Is NOT Outsourcing | Cloudscaling Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:13:37 +0000 http://neotactics.com/blog/?p=189#comment-3441 [...] “it’s not my problem” claim.  I think this is just another way of saying ‘self-service‘.  Again, as is becoming a mantra for me, self-service means on-demand, pay-as-you-go, and [...] [...] “it’s not my problem” claim.  I think this is just another way of saying ‘self-service‘.  Again, as is becoming a mantra for me, self-service means on-demand, pay-as-you-go, and [...]

]]> By: Amazon Threatens VPS Market | Cloudscaling http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/clouds-are-inherently-self-service/comment-page-1#comment-3205 Amazon Threatens VPS Market | Cloudscaling Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:01:54 +0000 http://neotactics.com/blog/?p=189#comment-3205 [...] why is this happening?  Simply put, customers are showing the hosting market that they value self-service enough to pay a premium for it.  Self-service means: on-demand, pay-as-you-go, and [...] [...] why is this happening?  Simply put, customers are showing the hosting market that they value self-service enough to pay a premium for it.  Self-service means: on-demand, pay-as-you-go, and [...]

]]> By: Private Clouds Matter | Cloudscaling http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/clouds-are-inherently-self-service/comment-page-1#comment-3196 Private Clouds Matter | Cloudscaling Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:31:15 +0000 http://neotactics.com/blog/?p=189#comment-3196 [...] It’s because cloud computing provides it’s primary value through self-service. [...] [...] It’s because cloud computing provides it’s primary value through self-service. [...]

]]> By: randybias http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/clouds-are-inherently-self-service/comment-page-1#comment-3165 randybias Fri, 01 May 2009 17:17:35 +0000 http://neotactics.com/blog/?p=189#comment-3165 I generally agree. What I think you're trying to say here is that clouds are very similar to an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_system_(Internet)" rel="nofollow">autonomous systems</a>. You just see the amorphous outside and it's interfaces and don't necessarily need to know what's happening under the covers.<br><br>Again, for me, measuring whether a given service is a 'cloud' or not has a lot to do with the ability to provide self-service. This winds up lumping applications, platforms, and infrastructure into the same 'cloud' bucket, but when we're talking about 'cloud' in the broadest terms then I think that this measuring stick helps to determine if it's really a cloud. I generally agree. What I think you're trying to say here is that clouds are very similar to an autonomous systems. You just see the amorphous outside and it's interfaces and don't necessarily need to know what's happening under the covers.

Again, for me, measuring whether a given service is a 'cloud' or not has a lot to do with the ability to provide self-service. This winds up lumping applications, platforms, and infrastructure into the same 'cloud' bucket, but when we're talking about 'cloud' in the broadest terms then I think that this measuring stick helps to determine if it's really a cloud.

]]> By: Laurence Faux http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/clouds-are-inherently-self-service/comment-page-1#comment-3164 Laurence Faux Fri, 01 May 2009 05:52:26 +0000 http://neotactics.com/blog/?p=189#comment-3164 Perhaps it would be good to also mention that this is from the perspective of the consumer of the cloud service.<br>It is my experience that folks often mix up the What of such definitions with the How....(certainly when it comes to Cloud, people incorrectly insisting on including the "V" word) and restricting the perspective to the Service Consumer often help focus the reader on the externally observable characteristics without overly concerning themsleves with how they are achieved.<br><br>At then end of the day its the outside of the cloud that we see.....and remember that a cloud comprises of no more than what are already familiar with...just in another form. Perhaps it would be good to also mention that this is from the perspective of the consumer of the cloud service.
It is my experience that folks often mix up the What of such definitions with the How….(certainly when it comes to Cloud, people incorrectly insisting on including the “V” word) and restricting the perspective to the Service Consumer often help focus the reader on the externally observable characteristics without overly concerning themsleves with how they are achieved.

At then end of the day its the outside of the cloud that we see…..and remember that a cloud comprises of no more than what are already familiar with…just in another form.

]]> By: Giannii http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/clouds-are-inherently-self-service/comment-page-1#comment-3163 Giannii Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:38:04 +0000 http://neotactics.com/blog/?p=189#comment-3163 test #giannii test #giannii

]]> By: randybias http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/clouds-are-inherently-self-service/comment-page-1#comment-3162 randybias Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:43:01 +0000 http://neotactics.com/blog/?p=189#comment-3162 Thanks for your comment, Steven. I agree. See my other related post on 'automagical' scaling here:<br><br><a href="http://neotactics.com/blog/uncategorized/auto-magical-scaling" rel="nofollow">http://neotactics.com/blog/uncategorized/auto-m...</a><br><br>--Randy Thanks for your comment, Steven. I agree. See my other related post on 'automagical' scaling here:

http://neotactics.com/blog/uncategorized/auto-m...

–Randy

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