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By: randybias

randybias — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:42:38 +0000

Thanks for the comment, Ed. The ops layer is definitely important!

By: edwardmgoldberg

edwardmgoldberg — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:22:42 +0000

Randy,

You are missing my Layer: WaaS Watching as a Service.

To make the Cloud work for real projects you still need OPs.

The myCLoudWatcher project I provide adds the WaaS Layer to the Stack.

Without a CloudWatcher like me in the equation you are still only an ISP.

Edward M. Goldberg
http://myCloudWatcher.com/

By: randybias

randybias — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:34:39 +0000

Great comment, Joe! You are, of course, correct. RFCs were about “rough consensus” and “running code”. This is an oversight in this article. I will try and see if I can amend the article to call this out without changing it overly much.

I expect you will see reference implementations start to appear next year along with their APIs, starting with VMware's vCloud product, when it ships.

By: joedrumgoole

joedrumgoole — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:07:18 +0000

Randy,

What made RFCs so compelling was the useful ones were always delivered with a reference implementation. The reason W* turned out to be such a fiasco is that the web services standards were rarely grounded in an real world understand that comes from building the actual software. We are falling into the same trap with Cloud Standards with all kinds of crazy assed architectural standards emerging that are devoid of implementation.

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By: William

William — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:27:07 +0000

"Perhaps a little overlooked at the moment are those technologies that provide ‘glue’ across the entire cloud stack. Monitoring and particularly identity management and authentication spring to mind." That's the key part of your blog. Add to it a resource access model (i.e. reconcile the different flavors of pseudo-REST of the different APIs). And a discovery/catalog.

Getting this plumbing right and shared is the first step.

Standardizing the different resource models (VM, cluster, app, volume...) for IaaS, PaaS and SaaS can wait.

The current Cloud specs (vCloud, Sun API and others) make the mistake of mixing the interaction framework w/ the resource model. For more on this see http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/943.