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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/amazon-threatens-vps-market/comment-page-1#comment-3821</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ellen, why would they only be bought up by inexperienced site owners. I am currently trying to grapple with what would be the best option for me as a new site owner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ellen, why would they only be bought up by inexperienced site owners. I am currently trying to grapple with what would be the best option for me as a new site owner.</p>
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		<title>By: randybias</title>
		<link>http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/amazon-threatens-vps-market/comment-page-1#comment-3469</link>
		<dc:creator>randybias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3467&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Eric Novikoff&lt;/a&gt; 

Eric,

  Thanks for your comment.  You are correct that Amazon needs to keep some capacity available for burst; however, this capacity can be as low as 20%.  In addition, as your pool gets larger the % of reserved capacity shrinks.  At Amazon&#039;s current scale they likely need only 15% or less excess capacity in each availability zone.  Also, FYI, I have spoken to many of the original EC2 team and the excess capacity is nowhere near 66%.  It&#039;s roughly 20%, as it is for most cloud providers.

  I do not know Amazon&#039;s margins, but I suspect them to be at least 50% or higher.  In addition, the common trend I&#039;m seeing right now is that hosting providers do the math and realize that cloud computing is a much, much, better business that dedicated servers.  There are major efficiency gains for both capex and opex.  In capex and opex, because using homogeneous hardware allows buying in bulk and also reduces costs associated with stocking parts and equipment for many configurations.  There are major advantages to the hosting providers as well in the costs associated with running the cloud compared to a traditional hosting facility.

  I&#039;m confused about what you are describing.  You&#039;re comparing managed VPSes vs. unmanaged VPSes.  A managed VPS is more of a managed service product than a straight VPS product.  If you abstract away all of the management then of course customers won&#039;t care.  Regardless, I know for a fact that Amazon is eating away at the VPS market and that larger players see this and are responding to it.

  I agree with your premise about the value of managed services and abstracting the underlying cloud further.  It&#039;s absolutely true that there is major value here and likely an area of ENKI&#039;s focus, I presume.  Regardless, customers will choose what they want and while many want the problem to just go away, others are looking for the ability to get into the guts because they have special requirements.  These are typically not the same VPS customers however, but larger web application businesses that need &lt;a href=&quot;http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-applications/the-secret-sauce-problem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;secret sauce&lt;/a&gt;.


Best,


--Randy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3467" rel="nofollow">@Eric Novikoff</a> </p>
<p>Eric,</p>
<p>  Thanks for your comment.  You are correct that Amazon needs to keep some capacity available for burst; however, this capacity can be as low as 20%.  In addition, as your pool gets larger the % of reserved capacity shrinks.  At Amazon&#8217;s current scale they likely need only 15% or less excess capacity in each availability zone.  Also, FYI, I have spoken to many of the original EC2 team and the excess capacity is nowhere near 66%.  It&#8217;s roughly 20%, as it is for most cloud providers.</p>
<p>  I do not know Amazon&#8217;s margins, but I suspect them to be at least 50% or higher.  In addition, the common trend I&#8217;m seeing right now is that hosting providers do the math and realize that cloud computing is a much, much, better business that dedicated servers.  There are major efficiency gains for both capex and opex.  In capex and opex, because using homogeneous hardware allows buying in bulk and also reduces costs associated with stocking parts and equipment for many configurations.  There are major advantages to the hosting providers as well in the costs associated with running the cloud compared to a traditional hosting facility.</p>
<p>  I&#8217;m confused about what you are describing.  You&#8217;re comparing managed VPSes vs. unmanaged VPSes.  A managed VPS is more of a managed service product than a straight VPS product.  If you abstract away all of the management then of course customers won&#8217;t care.  Regardless, I know for a fact that Amazon is eating away at the VPS market and that larger players see this and are responding to it.</p>
<p>  I agree with your premise about the value of managed services and abstracting the underlying cloud further.  It&#8217;s absolutely true that there is major value here and likely an area of ENKI&#8217;s focus, I presume.  Regardless, customers will choose what they want and while many want the problem to just go away, others are looking for the ability to get into the guts because they have special requirements.  These are typically not the same VPS customers however, but larger web application businesses that need <a href="http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-applications/the-secret-sauce-problem" rel="nofollow">secret sauce</a>.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>&#8211;Randy</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Novikoff</title>
		<link>http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/amazon-threatens-vps-market/comment-page-1#comment-3467</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Novikoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some serious problems with the cheerleading for AWS going on here.  Clearly Amazon has to keep large numbers of servers idle and ready for use to provide the value proposition of massive scalability.  Yet, the cost of that overhead (estimated to be 66% by some) doesn&#039;t seem to appear on their prices.  It&#039;s because they&#039;re buying the market.  And they can afford to.  But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s realistic to base one&#039;s business plan on those prices remaining low.  And now here we have a discussion about replacing VPSes with EC2.  I think it&#039;s a long way off.  The VPS providers have been honing their economics for much longer than Amazon, often starting with budget Cpanel or colo offerings.  Their prices are insanely low - and often (like Amazon in some respects) it truly is insane in that you&#039;re getting less than you pay for.  

I also disagree with the high value of control.  We have quite a few erstwhile VPS customers in our cloud and what they want is not control but the opposite: freedom from having to be in control.  They want us to manage everything: administration, auto-scaling, incident response, etc.  Software has progressed to the point where you can run a high tech business successfully if only you could get away from the whole administration racket, but here we have Amazon training a new generation of &quot;cloud administrators.&quot;  
 
I think VPSes will be here for a long time, both due to their price advantages as well as the fact that they have more mature support models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some serious problems with the cheerleading for AWS going on here.  Clearly Amazon has to keep large numbers of servers idle and ready for use to provide the value proposition of massive scalability.  Yet, the cost of that overhead (estimated to be 66% by some) doesn&#8217;t seem to appear on their prices.  It&#8217;s because they&#8217;re buying the market.  And they can afford to.  But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s realistic to base one&#8217;s business plan on those prices remaining low.  And now here we have a discussion about replacing VPSes with EC2.  I think it&#8217;s a long way off.  The VPS providers have been honing their economics for much longer than Amazon, often starting with budget Cpanel or colo offerings.  Their prices are insanely low &#8211; and often (like Amazon in some respects) it truly is insane in that you&#8217;re getting less than you pay for.  </p>
<p>I also disagree with the high value of control.  We have quite a few erstwhile VPS customers in our cloud and what they want is not control but the opposite: freedom from having to be in control.  They want us to manage everything: administration, auto-scaling, incident response, etc.  Software has progressed to the point where you can run a high tech business successfully if only you could get away from the whole administration racket, but here we have Amazon training a new generation of &#8220;cloud administrators.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I think VPSes will be here for a long time, both due to their price advantages as well as the fact that they have more mature support models.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/amazon-threatens-vps-market/comment-page-1#comment-3228</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This jives with the marketing term &quot;Whole Product&quot;. Would you buy a PC if the case were welded shut and you couldn&#039;t upgrade the CPU/RAM/HD? Probably not, or at least you&#039;d expect a discount.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The same thing applies to VPS vs Cloud. The VPS &quot;product&quot; doesn&#039;t have all the features of a cloud. Even if the customer doesn&#039;t want to invest in auto-scaling/code-as-infrastructure/fault-tolerence/etc right now, the customer may be willing to invest in &quot;easy migration path to auto-scaling/etc down the road&quot;. The customer pays an extra $10-$20 per month right now, but saves the pain of migrating from a VPS to a cloud provider next year.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Worse news for the VPS vendors is that they are fragmented (tools, walk-thrus, how-tos, resources, etc.) compared to the &quot;one&quot; AWS. That means customers may be willing to pay a premium for AWS. Are we ready to say &quot;nobody ever got fired for choosing AWS&quot;?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I totally agree that AWS hasn&#039;t even started to tap that market (and they could/should/will).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This jives with the marketing term &#8220;Whole Product&#8221;. Would you buy a PC if the case were welded shut and you couldn&#39;t upgrade the CPU/RAM/HD? Probably not, or at least you&#39;d expect a discount.</p>
<p>The same thing applies to VPS vs Cloud. The VPS &#8220;product&#8221; doesn&#39;t have all the features of a cloud. Even if the customer doesn&#39;t want to invest in auto-scaling/code-as-infrastructure/fault-tolerence/etc right now, the customer may be willing to invest in &#8220;easy migration path to auto-scaling/etc down the road&#8221;. The customer pays an extra $10-$20 per month right now, but saves the pain of migrating from a VPS to a cloud provider next year.</p>
<p>Worse news for the VPS vendors is that they are fragmented (tools, walk-thrus, how-tos, resources, etc.) compared to the &#8220;one&#8221; AWS. That means customers may be willing to pay a premium for AWS. Are we ready to say &#8220;nobody ever got fired for choosing AWS&#8221;?</p>
<p>I totally agree that AWS hasn&#39;t even started to tap that market (and they could/should/will).</p>
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		<title>By: Amazon Threatens VPS Market &#124; Cloudscaling : evaluehost.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazon Threatens VPS Market &#124; Cloudscaling : evaluehost.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Amazon Threatens VPS Market &#124; Cloudscaling : tntwebhostings.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazon Threatens VPS Market &#124; Cloudscaling : tntwebhostings.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Amazon Threatens VPS Market &#124; Cloudscaling : hostingwebsitereviews.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazon Threatens VPS Market &#124; Cloudscaling : hostingwebsitereviews.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Amazon Threatens VPS Market &#124; Cloudscaling : websiteshostingreviews.com</title>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are some amazingly low prices. I imagine they will be bought up by people who have had a successful site for less than a year and aren&#039;t that experienced.</description>
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		<title>By: Amazon Threatens VPS Market &#124; Cloudscaling &#124; Green Web hosting</title>
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